KIAA Restructures, Re-Launches at Mobile Beat Las Vegas DJ Convention

February 8, 2011 by Eric Godfrey

KIAA re-launched last week at the Mobile Beat DJ Conference in Las Vegas. We have been very critical of how
KIAA is operating (or actually was not). Rather than give you “he-said”, “she-said” we videotaped their presentation and posted it here for all to see. 1st, the terms and conditions which were posted on their site for about a month prior to the show have totally been scrapped. They were put up by mistake as they re-worked their web-sites and they pulled them when we pointed out many issues with them. New documents and guidelines can be found via their PDF Documents at:
Click for Venue documents

Click for KJ Host documents

Videos were taped live so please forgive us for camera noises and cross talk from other people sitting directly beside and behind us.

Here is your front row seat to the presentation. We will make TOO MANY comments below!

History, Opinions and appeal for feedback from all KJ’s on their opinionsWe spoke at length with the folks at Chartbuster, Sound Choice and Stellar and have some issues but are much
happier with where all of us KJ’s stand. USKA is about helping and safe guarding KJ’s. We own Starz Karaoke in the Phoenix area and we have been doing Karaoke professionally since 1998. In 13 years, we have collected thousands of CDG’s, VCD’s, Laser discs, SCDG’s,etc, etc.

We ran shows on discs until late 2003 and were entirely on PC’s by 2004. Along the way we were duped and spent over $10,000 on pre-loaded CAVS players. When we found out they were illegal we stopped using them..
We still have 2 of them. WHY go digital? Back when a Sound Choice Foundation Set was over $1000, one of ours ran out the door of our show. Within about 6 months, we lost a Foundation 1, a Foundation 2 and numerous other CDG’s that were in our nylon cases with them. If we are on computer and our discs are safe they can not be stolen. Discs that get fingered and dropped and passed around and even slid in and out of
sleeves slowly wear out. Capture the music once and you have a copy forever and discs are safe, secure and not being worn out.. All that said… that is why many of us have gone digital, but that was the beginning of making it easy to PIRATE music and that lead to the problems we see today.

The publisher-members of KIAA are fighting to survive. They have seen revenues go to pennies on the dollar of previous levels, while American Idol, Glee, Nintendo, Wii, Playstation, several TV game shows and other
games and shows have made Karaoke more popular than ever. We love music and we love Karaoke or we would have gotten out of this industry over the last few years. It is in our blood. We can not leave it behind, but we have to help to make it better.


We are currently looking for your feedback on the issues that we have. Many of us in Karaoke that are doing our best to do business legally have no problem with venues and KJ’s that are using illegal music being sued.

The problem is that it has to be fair..

There are several issues for KJ’s This is an attempt to summarize
the most prominent issues:


1. Over many years Karaoke discs have been lost or mis-placed. Now with 90% of all Karaoke disc manufacturers actually out of business, there must be some lee-way given in audits for missing discs (within reason).

2. Once again, over the years many companies have gone out of business, but also, many discs have gone out of print. As we add new sets it is very difficult to duplicate the songs that we originally had. We do our best, but there are quite a few “holes” where we can not get songs that we have several copies of, but not for every set in our venues.

3. Managing multiple sets and multiple books adds to costs of book printing, and adds tons of times to management of who has what set. Trying to keep it uniform has become a difficult task. Once gain, we want
someone to have the same tracks at all shows so they know what to expect. NOW – That is a matter of choice, and anyone can choose to operate sets that are totally different, but many choose not do work that way.


If a host is using Karaoke music that has been discontinued and can not be purchased any longer and they are using it as the basis for operations for business that is fine.. BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE DISCS! Someone operating old tracks with no discs is circumventing the costs that those of us who paid for discs had to pay and it creates unfair competition.

This is why the Karaoke manufacturers that remain are banding together. They have spent nearly 3 years trying to create awareness of our industry’s piracy problem. Now they are saying join us and be legal or get out of this business. We had a problem with this until they created the safe harbor program found above. There is NO COST to join the program, register music, get audited and protect one’s self from legal actions. However, we feel that better homework needs done up front to keep law suits from being filed against legal companies and venues.

We also want to see published guidelines that are fair to KJ’s and to the Karaoke disc manufacturers.

To let you know where the manufacturer’s of KIAA stand. Stellar does not support an inspection program of discs. They offer a one price fits all CAP Program that gives you rights to every song they have ever done
at one cost (over $3,000 per set). Other option is to just buy all the discs that you want and nothing else. Sound Choice requires a KJ to be 98% compliant on investigation and anything you do not have must be deleted. Chartbuster is the same except they allow 95%.

After talking to literally hundreds of KJ’s and all of the manufacturers, I have a proposal as to a middle ground for audits that takes both sides into account.. PLEASE send your opinions to so we can submit them to the KIAA members.


2 types of discs:

1. Currently existing manufacturers – which have a.) discs still in production that are available and b.) some discontinued discs that are not available.


2. Discs from manufacturers that are out of business. All of these companies discs are out of production. Many are still out in the market, however most of these are counterfeit or unauthorized discs that have been used to fill the market and have driven down pricing.

1. General rule across the board on all discs. If you do not have a single copy of a disc containing a song, then you can not have that song on any of your systems at all. It must be deleted! In other words at minimum you must have at least one copy of every song on at least 1 disc.

A> Current manufacturers.
– Must have 1 copy of every song and 95% of all songs across all sets!

1. If the song exists on a disc today and it can be purchased, you must have 1 for 1 copies. If you have 3 sets of Karaoke gear operating at once you need 3 copies. If you are missing the original disc for one set you must either buy it or delete the song from the set you can not validate (Once again this is on music that you can buy today!)

2. Discontinued music – You must have at least one copy of the song on disc or you must delete the song (or disc) across all sets. As long as you have one copy of every song you can be missing a song here and there, but
you must have 95% of all music across all sets. Let’s put a number on this. Say you have 3,334 songs in 3 sets. You must have one of every song so set 1 is 100% compliant. Set 2 is missing 150 songs on 10 discs that are no longer available. Set 3 is missing 240 songs on

16 discs that are no longer available (remember if it is available you have to buy it or delete it). Total for all 3 sets would be 10,002 songs. If you are missing 390 songs you have 9612 songs out of 10,002 or 96.1%.
By this system you would pass. If you are missing more than 5% or 500 songs you would fail.

B> Discs from manufacturers that are out of business. – Must have 1 copy of every song and 90% of all songs across all sets!

Let’s use the same numbers as above. All manufacturers are out of print so we remove the option of purchasing discs that you do not have!

2. Discontinued music – You must have at least one copy of the song on disc or you must delete the song (or disc) across all sets. As long as you have one copy of every song you can be missing a song here and there, but
you must have 90% of all music across all sets. Let’s put a number on this. Say you have 3,334 songs in 3 sets. You must have one of every song so set 1 is 100% compliant. Set 2 is missing 300 songs on 20 discs. Set 3 is missing 480 songs on 32 discs. Total for all 3 sets would be 10,002 songs. If you are missing 780 songs you have 9222 songs out of 10,002 or 92.2%. By this system you would pass. If you are missing more than 10% or 1000 songs you would fail.

This system would keep all KJ’s predominantly honest but allow for lost, misplaced, stolen, or unavailable discs here and there. It would create revenues for manufacturers for existing tracks and keep KJ’s from using discontinued sets to fill collections unless they actually own them.
Allowing less of a percentage would allow the system to be abused and would allow KJ’s to make use of too much missing music instead of purchasing tracks to replace that music. Once again, we want your opinion on this


Author’s note:
I have purposely avoided the topic of  internet downloads. The only manufacturers offering downloads are Chartbuster and Stingray (Sound Choice partner). They are both adamant that downloads are for personal use only and can not be used in any commercial venture. Recent Publishing rulings make it illegal for UK Karaoke manufacturers to distribute discs in the US. KIAA has stated they will not recognize downloaded tracks as being legitimate. While I do not agree totally, I understand the underlying issues and we will work to educate everyone that downloads are for personal use only.   Other
opinions are also welcome on this issue!

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